Who Likes Boobies!

[lowwall]

Hold On Admins!

I Am Talking About Flaming Boobies

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h272/lowwall/fb_step6.jpg

And the more realistic Cruncher Booby

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h272/lowwall/cruncher20booby.jpg

About as realistic as the Leaded Blob

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h272/lowwall/dominican20flash20tag20blob.jpg

I have been reading allot of English fishing mags lately. Particularly “Todays FlyFisher”
Check out the still water trouble shooter article below.

http://www.total-fishingclub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61474

I am interested in there still water techniques. They fish a ton of still water over there. There still water is all privately owned and pretty expensive to fish.
For Example
http://www.bellbrookfishery.co.uk/fishery/page.asp?id=86&parent=80

It seems to be a combination of skeet or 5 stand and fishing. I am glad we threw them out before they screwed up all of our waters. But I am not above stealing there techniques. Have been reading these all winter. There trout are all stocked like ours so there techniques should apply for the most part. I missed the still water talk at the Pelham show so I have a few questions to ask.

1)I heard bout using intermediate lines, I use them in saltwater as well as sinking lines to 700gr! What would be a good combo of lines for local still water fishing? Sinking intermediate etc. I would be using a 5 or 6 weight rod.

2)The English mags recommend up to 8 weight rods and 20 ft leaders! They use allot of tippet rings. Basically small rings used to attach your leader to a tippet. Some of there leader recipes call for a short length of heavy line attached to 20 ft of 4 lb. That is where the tippet rings come in handy. The competition guys also use them to make changing tippets quicker and preserve the tapered leaders. Does any one out there employ these techniques? I just purchased a bunch of tippet rings on ebay for $3.00, the guy tried to charge me $114 for Shipping! That is a post it’s self. Will post my thoughts on them when I use them.

3)Flies, the English mags seem to focus allot on Buzzers, basically chezh style nymphs and freaky blobs and clouser type things. And the Boobies. They fish the boobies with a sinking line; the booby part keeps the fly suspended along the bottom. Offering them in a fly swap may be seen as being a bit racy for the site. Has any one used Boobies out there, seems like a good idea.

4) Now I have one of my budy PW’s favorite questions, what is your dirt dozen for Still Water fishing in NH Pattern, Size and color please.

Thanks In Advance!

[HarryM]

For your question 1 - Either Cortland or Sci Angl. makes a good intermediate slow sinking line. There is a thread in Gear Discussion-Intermediate line already about this. Just upload your rod one line weight (ex. 6wt rod with a 7wt line). You should also be using a slow or moderate action rod. Fortunately, slower rods cost less than faster ones so you can pick up a cheepie if you have to.

Question 2 - I have no experience with those rings so I can't help you there

Question 3 - That sound like an interesting concept using a floating fly with a sinking line in order to keep fly suspended over the weeds. Never tried it, but I think I just might. Those boobies look nice - I'd like a pair. :D If my feeble memory serves me - I think I recall boobie flies in a thread way back not long after this website forum first started.

Question 4 - Naturally, wooly buggers are a staple fly for stillwater, but above that use flies that are made with a lot of Marabou. In rivers, the water moves and the fly moves so you have no problem imitating life. In stillwater, the water does not move so your fly needs to move to look like it's alive. Leech patterns work well, as do emergers fished close to the bottom. The fly I included for this last swap (all purpose emerger) is one of my more effective ones. Just about anything wiggly and buggy will do the trick.

Funny, but as much of a proponent of the use intermediate lines as I am, I never used them in the ocean before ??? I cannot imagine why the thought never occoured to me. Anyway, I attended a seminar at the Marlboro show about sight fishing for stripers and that guy said it was absolutely key to use the intermediate line. Oh well, another spare spool with Int line and backing on order.

[Steamtrain]

Question 3 - That sound like an interesting concept using a floating fly with a sinking line in order to keep fly suspended over the weeds. Never tried it, but I think I just might. Those boobies look nice - I'd like a pair. :D If my feeble memory serves me - I think I recall boobie flies in a thread way back not long after this website forum first started.


in lafontaine's book on high mountain lakes he discusses using sinking lines with floating flies. the line drags through the weeds kicking up critters. this makes a kind of chum line for the fish, san juan shuffle for stillwaters. i have yet to try this technique. sounds like it would work

[s2ary]

I’m pretty sure I like Boobies… :roll:

Ecologically the brits are suffering, it is sad that your fisheries are pay per use and the best ones are sustained by bubblers that oxygenate the water.

[Hegel]

s2ary writes,

I’m pretty sure I like Boobies…

Wait... it seems as though you had to stop and think about this one. Repeat after me... "I LOVE BOOBIES!"

(Repeat this exercise 5 times a night for the next 4 weeks. You'll feeel better.)

-Hegel-

[wet_fly_action]

I still consider myself a novice fly fisher but I've done pretty well on stillwaters. Probably because you can fish them very similarly to the way you would with spinning gear. Hit inlets/outlets, structure, weedbeds, etc. I got the aforementioned SA line for christmas this year but haven't used it yet, so with my floating line I would give anywhere from a 15 to a 60 count before starting the retrieve. Hopefully this new line should make the 60 count a thing of the past.
95% of my stillwater fish came on streamers. I think this is because crawling in a nymph near the bottom takes so long I rarely have the patience for it. I use the same 9-10 ft leaders i use everywhere. As far as patterns go, the maynards marvel has been my go-to streamer and has paid off in still and moving water time and time again. I have also had good luck with white or yellow flies in dark, stained water. Always a size 8 or 10, because anything bigger is a pain to cast on my 4 wt (all i have).
I generally fish ponds early and late in the season when the trout are in the shallows which works out well with rivers and streams closing on 10/15. It's much easier from a boat of some kind. My canoe is a poor solo craft, particularly with a trolling motor and battery. So if anyone wants to meet up in a few weeks once the ice melts and try out some of this stillwater stuff let me know, I'm often in need of a "first mate".

[lowwall]

I will take you up on the first Mate offer, You need to drive by my place to get anywhere in Nh up 94 anyway. I can trade you some Boston Haba Striper trips in my Boat, I Launch out of Winthrop Weekly.

Mike

[Hegel]

wet_fly_action,

You mention the "Maynard's Marvel" streamer as one with which you've had a lot of success. I am not familiar with this streamer. I have been looking for it online. However, I have come across numerous *different* streamers bearing this name. Do you have a link to a picture of the sort of thing that you're using?

Here's one picture that I found. Is this it?

http://globalflyfisher.com/streamers/raske/flatwing/marvel.jpg

Here's another picture. Is this it? You mention yellow and white flies, so I thought maybe...

http://www.wshunter.com/images/products/product_smallimages/484.jpg

Thanks!
-Hegel-

[overmywaders]

Hegel,

The fly usually referred to is the following:

http://www.overmywaders.com/maynard.jpg

[Steamtrain]

i love huge tracks of land!


http://www.wshunter.com/images/products/product_smallimages/484.jpg


that looks like a maynards marvel but it would cost more than $1.95 :wink:

[s2ary]

s2ary writes,

I’m pretty sure I like Boobies…

Wait... it seems as though you had to stop and think about this one. Repeat after me... "I LOVE BOOBIES!"

(Repeat this exercise 5 times a night for the next 4 weeks. You'll feeel better.)

-Hegel-

Ah...I feel better already. :lol:

[wet_fly_action]

As usual, Reed is right on with the pattern. When I first tied one I didn't have any blue calftail for the underwing so I tied it with purple bucktail and it caught fish so I've tied it that way since.
The second picture looks like a golden marvel, which I thought had a wood duck flank feather on top but is probably tied a bunch of different ways and seems to be consistently popular around Winnipesaukee for salmon.
The yellow and white flies I've done well on are stuff like featherwing or marabou black ghosts, or ballou specials, although the light edson tiger caught me my last fish of the year back in december. Marabou is supposed to be better than bucktail in stillwaters but I guess fish don't always follow the rules.

[skilly]

FYI for Hegel's interest in the Maynard's Marvel. Reed's receipe for the Maynard's Marvel is from Dick Surettes book " Trout and Salmon Fly Index" 1978. I have used this pattern with ggod success. I also remember back in the early 1970's a fellow by the name of Jean LaVallee had created his version of the Maynard's Marvel. As best as I can recall the receipe was as follows: Hook- streamer(3665 A or similar) Tail- red hackle , body- flat or embossed silver tinsel, wind- white or blue bucktailor impalal, over which golden feather crest just beyond the bend of hook, throat- red hackle, head- black. It caught on very well especially in the Alton Bay and Merrymeeting River area for the spring landlocks.
In another book by Dick Stewart and Bob Leeman, "Trolling Flies for Trout and Salmon" ,1982 they featured a fly tyer from the Keene, NH area(Hinsdale), by the name of Ora Smith. They also featured several flies he created over the years, one being the Smith's or Golden Marvel, along with the Pumkin Head and the Canopache. Smith's Marvel was created at the request of a customer who wanted the Maynard's Marvel tied with on ornge collar.
In another article written by Steve Cullen in The Art of Angling Journal 2003, Vol.2, Issue 1, he writes about Ora Smith and references over 200 flies that he had created. Great article and reference material and the receipe for Smith' Marvel. Good reading!!!
Hegel, I hope this helps.
George Skilogianis, aka Skilly

[Hegel]

Skilly,

Thanks so much for the informative note.

Everyone else,

Thanks! I am still not sure why I get hits for that bright yellow streamer when searching for the Maynard's Marvel. The only confusion is that I think steamtrain also thinks the bright yellow streamer is the Marvel. It seems to be clear from both Reed and Skilly's literature that that can't be correct.

So, steamtrain, what about it? Or, am I still confused. It's all this talk about boobies...

-Hegel-

[Steamtrain]

that pic of the maynard marvel is from hunters online catalog

maybe we need to talk to Mr. hunter

[wet_fly_action]

Hegel-
The yellow streamer is what a maynard's marvel would look like if it was tied a little differently. It's not too suprising that a local pattern with a bunch of variations might be sold under the same name. The only constant I've seen is that the "golden marvel" always has a bunch more golden pheasant crest and the jungle cock body feather shoulders, as seen in the picture, and the maynards marvel doesn't.
A little story about this fly- I tried to give away my last golden demon to a guy on the merrymeeting this fall but he refused to take it. I pointed him to a golden marvel he had in his box and he was into a nice salmon a few minutes later. While I may get nutty about the correct dressing for some pattern while I'm home tying, I'm actually not that particular when it comes to actually fishing them. On the merrymeeting that day, a yellow streamer did the trick. That being said, you'd probably do just as well with an extremely similar pattern, the Joe's Smelt, which nearly every fly shop will carry.