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Solid
04-08-2007, 01:35 PM
Is there a trick to working with this material? I have a hard time getting this stuff together to tie with. It is almost impossible to get it to lay flat enough to get a bunch together. Any tips??

lowwall
04-08-2007, 05:37 PM
All you Need

http://www.aswf.org/saltwater_flies_for_web/dave_skok/mushmouth/index.html

http://www.dwskok.com/step-by-steps.htm

Solid
04-08-2007, 09:33 PM
got anything else? I have read all of that already and still having issues....

lowwall
04-09-2007, 06:20 AM
Yes do not try tying these with your feet, I know you like a chalenge. Use your handss this time. Or come by this week and we will tie a few.

s2ary
04-09-2007, 10:46 AM
The foot thing is a good tip :wink:

I have also seen guys use heat guns to melt it a litte.

You need to be carefull with softex, I guess it eats up your liver hard.

Solid
04-09-2007, 04:54 PM
What's this about liver damage? I use it that on the flys, I don't eat it!!!!

Lowwall, you are a funny guy....really funny guy....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/megabass5150/dinner.jpg

Chappy
04-10-2007, 08:23 AM
The deadly solvent in Softex is Toluene. Pretty nasty. I have had a bottle of Softex and until recently it sits dormant. I bought it originally as an epoxy replacement but I never like the results. I then used it on some saltwater patterns - still not a fan, then I tried to harden some exteneded damselfly nymph marabou tails. Still no good. I recently was tying some muddlers for the class and after trimming, I found that applying softex to the clipped head really reinforced the head - keeping it firm and solid. Deer hair is fragile and this the softex added some ruggedness to the fly.

I will be tying some crease flies later this summer with flash foil and I beleive a coating of Softex will help. When this jar is done, I will probably not buy anymore.

I found about the toluene after I bought it. Not like paint thinner is much better - but use Softex in a well ventilated place.

May the whip finish be with you.

Chappy.

lowwall
04-10-2007, 08:57 AM
A replacement for softex is Angler's Choice Soft Body
"water based"
http://www.anglerschoiceflytyingmaterials.com/index.asp?p=102&cmd=1&nCategoryID=12

I have never used it , I have 2 cans of softex . I have been working on fininishing up 1 for 3 years. I only use it for the mushmouths.

Toluene was created as a replacement for benzene!

Some Toluene Exposure Highlights Are
" permanent changes in brain structure that correlated with the degree of brain dysfunction. MRI results revealed loss of gray-white matter contrast, diffuse supratentorial white matter high-signal lesions, and low signal in the basal ganglia and midbrain. in the brains of neuropsychologically impaired ."

I guess you know when you are getting old when your major loss of Gray mater is while Tying Flies! Luckily at this stage in my career I have not had to have an original thought in atleast 6 years.