View Full Version : What fly to use to "Create a Hatch"?
07-27-2005, 09:13 AM
Yesterday afternoon, around 1:30 I skpped out of work and headed down into the Pine River State Forrest to fish the Pine River. The fishing was slow and I was ready to get out of the water and pick some blueberries when I remembered reading the post about creating a hatch. So I tied on a #18 adams parachute and began casting to a big hole under an overhaging white pine. I couldn't believe it when on the fifth cast a little brookie came up and swallowed my fly. I continued to "create a hatch" with that adams at little holes here and there and continued to catch little brookies, (the largest only went about 6") until I lost my fly in a big pine tree. So, I tied on a bumble bee patern I had tied earlier this week and continued to catch little brookies. Later I was talking to a buddy of mine and I asked him, what fly would you use to create a hatch at this time of year? He said he would use Wulff patterns. What is everyones thoughts on this. What is the fly to use to "create a hatch"?
07-27-2005, 11:09 AM
Whatever fly you have on is probably correct because you will be using it according to what you expect the fish to expect. For example, the parachute Adams makes a certain ant-like impression in the surface film. Ants and other terrestrials are good for this time of year if there is no hatch (if there was a hatch you wouldn't need to create one). Your McGinty is a good choice as well.
This year we have had the rivers blown out many times. Surely this has had a negative effect on the caddis population through siltation in some cases, and scouring in others.
07-27-2005, 12:07 PM
I'm not so sure you "created a hatch" so much as you thoroughly fished the water. Sometimes we give up on a spot too soon. Persistence pays off, I have come to find. I don't know about this "creating a hatch" stuff. :wink:
07-27-2005, 12:47 PM
i would tend to agree with fessie on this one, i think to thouroughly create a hatch one would have to start fishing the nymphal stage first to get the trout keyed in on the emergence, just like they would during a natural hatch. we all know that brookies can sometimes be just plain agressive.
hey the most important thing is you caught fish :D
sometimes i think fly fishers like to anthropomorphize fish too much, and forget that they're just creatures trying to find food.
07-27-2005, 01:28 PM
anthropomorphize..........Well now that's a word!
I agree with you guys. Repeated drifts might entice a territorial strike or something but a hatch involves the whole profound emergence etc..
07-27-2005, 05:30 PM
"Creating a Hatch", also known as "forcing a rise", was a term first used ca. 1914 by LaBranche to indicate the repeated drifting of a dry fly near a likely fish's lie. That's exactly what NHBowman did. The brookies didn't take on the first pass, so we know they were not "opportunistic feeders"; indeed it was only on the fifth pass that they rose -- NHBowman drew them gradually into a feeding attitude from resting. Good show!
The term "Forcing a Rise" seems much more appropriate/descriptive than "Creating a Hatch" with the latter term markedly grandiose. But, since the former term was coined, as overmywaders indicates, circa 1914, then I wouldn't be surprise if a market minded fly fishing professional might not try to repackage an old concept with new glitz. The term itself, Creating a Hatch, seems a little Nature bending, no?
Also, the word anthropomorphize is quite a word. And, it is also something far too many folk (PETA, Friends of Animals, Dizney, etc) do far too often. I heartily agree that a fish is just a creature looking to find a meal, an easy meal and a meal that doesn’t end up eating them.
TI heartily agree that a fish is just a creature looking to find a meal, an easy meal and a meal that doesn’t end up eating them.
So, since we practice "Catch & Release", shouldn't the fish be easier to catch?
Catch & Release? Ohhhhhhhhh…well…ahhhhhhh…of course, most of the time, nearly all of the time. However, I find the trout so agreeable that on occasion I will invite one or two over for dinner. As I said, they are just looking for an easy meal and one that doesn’t eat them. Naturally, the fish isn’t always successful.
07-28-2005, 07:46 AM
07-28-2005, 08:26 AM
I like the term "Forcing a Rise" better. Either way, I was glad to catch some fish. I'm heading back out there latter today to see if I can force some more rises.
07-28-2005, 09:37 AM
Wow - it doesn't take much to get this group going! :lol:
07-28-2005, 01:05 PM
I still call it fishing the water thoroughly. :?
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