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Old 08-02-2017, 04:32 PM
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Default NHFG Proposing Expanded Bait Fishing Magalloway/Androscoggin

Forgive the X-post if you have seen this on the other forums where I posted. Not my usual style but I'm infuriated by the apparently underhanded way the leadership at NHFG is proposing to make a substantial rule change. If they were truly interested in receiving public input they would have posted the intent of the upcoming meeting--to allow expanded bait fishing on portions of the Magalloway and Androscoggin Rivers.

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Apparently there is a move afoot in NH to alter regulations on portions of both the Androscoggin and Magalloway rivers to allow bait fishing. I am incredibly frustrated that NHFG would even consider risking one of the premiere brook trout fisheries in the Northeast. This rule change has the potential to impact a world class brook trout fishery across two states. Biologists in both Maine and NH have done years of radio tracking and shown that brook trout frequently move across state lines. Risking increased mortality from bait fishing seems unwise--but that is apparently the quiet proposal that is circulating.

A meeting is scheduled on August 17 at 7pm in the Errol NH town hall.
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/news....html?news=730

The meeting announcement is quite vague--but is reportedly the first step in expanding bait fishing. If you can attend and voice your opinion it is certain to be helpful. Having watched these types of rulemakings progress in the past, this will be as much about politics and who shouts loudest as being about what is sound management based on data.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:55 PM
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I wouldn't call it one of the "premiere" brook trout fisheries but I see your point. Not sure what the reasoning behind this is. Although you might not think the same as me, NH does have some excellent bios and they are more affected by politics than in other states.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:20 AM
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I did not read anything about "expanded bait fishing".

I think you has misinformation on this, the lower portions of the river this time of year near Umbagog are a warm water fishery, and choked with vegetation and weeds. I know that these areas are popular for ice fishing for perch, pickerel and bass and in the summer this area was often a popular area for fishing for horn pout.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:58 AM
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Do not be mistaken, this is exactly what it appears to be, NH F&G throwing science out the window to placate a few anglers who, now that the trout are thriving because of regulations, want to rape the resource.

Proposing under the guise of wanting to catch horn pout, 250 people signed a petition asking for the rule change to bait fishing. The new regs will state that any trout caught be immediately released.

It has been scientifically demonstrated and peer reviewed that mortality on bait caught fish released is 35%.

They shouldn't even be having this hearing.

However, if this does pass, just because 250 people signed a petition, I will bury F&G with petitions to make all of the wild trout streams in the WMNF designated "wild trout" since NH F&G no longer needs scientific evidence to make a rule change.

And if politics is what is going to be the driver now for F&G, I know a few legislators who would love to close some hatcheries, save some $, and let wild trout take over.

Steve

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Old 08-03-2017, 11:33 AM
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I will bury F&G with petitions to make all of the wild trout streams in the WMNF designated "wild trout" since NH F&G no longer needs scientific evidence to make a rule change.


I would happily be the first to sign this petition ...
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:36 PM
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Steve,

I think that you mean hornpout not burbot? Burbot or cusk is a coldwater species that is not found in Lake Umbagog.

I am all for protecting wild trout, but have you fished that area where the river meets the lake? Its all pickerel and bass.
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:20 PM
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Guys, in August this water could well be a bluegill factory, but in the spring and fall, the data shows that this area is a thoroughfare for the brookies that spend their summers in the magalloway and the diamond rivers. The huge majority of those fish winter over in umbagog, just like the rapid river fish.

Don't think about the guy who is sitting out there in a lawn chair today, but the guy who I know who hoovers that river in the spring and fall with ALO, and would do some real damage with worms and live smelt.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:43 AM
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TGIF and Truiteman have covered the key points.

I have also heard that this meeting is in response to a petition presented by anglers that wish to fish with live bait. That is why I am so frustrated with NHFG. If that is what the meeting is about then say so. I suspect they did not because they knew if the meeting title was "allow bait fishing on sections of the Magalloway and Androscoggin Rivers currently allowing only fly fishing or artificial lures/barbless hooks" there would be outrage.

If you want to confirm the reason for the meeting call the two NHFG fisheries head honchos, their numbers are right on the press release:
Jason Smith: (603) 271-2501
Scott Decker: (603) 271-2501

Maybe Scott would post here if this is untrue. He has posted here before.

No, this time of year there are not a lot of trout on the lower sections, but NHFG own research has shown that fish move through these areas in spring and fall (for spawning, to overwinter, etc.). I think all the fish NHFG observed moving through these areas were large, sexually mature fish, critical to the fishery.

In short, I'd like NHFG to publicly state what the scientific rationale was for the management plan in place on these waters today, and what has changed to make that no longer appropriate. Unless I am mistaken, some of these regulations were just put in place within the past couple years.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:02 PM
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What a shame that F&G would consider such a stupid idea. Just like stocking Brookies on top of wild fish, closing the trout season in the fall, stocking mud holes and swamps in Southern NH. Nothing surprises me at this point. Why don't they just open the hatcheries to pay as go fishing and save the trucking. I'm sure the chain smoking power bait crowd would love that. At least the empty beer cans and butts will all be in same place.
Yes, I'm an elitist fly fisherman and I just don't want to be around the meth head inked up dirt bags. There it is and you don't like it too f****** bad. I'm going bass fishing. At least those guys throw the fish back and have sweet boats.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:39 AM
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I am collecting letters of support to keep the regs as is and hope to present more than 250 at the hearing.

Please send me your letters to

Steve Angers
PO Box 1901
N. Conway, NH 03860

or email your letter to

shop@northcountryangler.com

Thanks in advance for your support.

Steve
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